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bonitian
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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If all you've got for evidence on any of these theories is YouTube, rather than a credible source (study/journal/periodical/newspaper) I'm likely to believe that you don't know what you're talking about. _________________ http://soundcloud.com/plan_b |
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kryptonite
Joined: 04 Sep 2003 Posts: 1991 Location: Woodstock
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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So someone can't use YouTube for thesis citations??! _________________ Twitter: @kryptonitekillz / @skryptedbass
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rubixhelix
Joined: 19 Dec 2005 Posts: 573 Location: Dongducheon, Korea
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| kryptonite wrote: | | So someone can't use YouTube for thesis citations??! |
it all depends on the institution...
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jkfunkee___
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| kso wrote: | | common understanding |
Common is exactly that...didn't common scientific understanding
Hold that the earth was flat?
without question there has been otherworldly influence upon
our culture, civilization, and technology...to think otherwise
is well, common. Commonality leads to suburbs, strollers, and american idol,
you can keep that shit kso... |
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kso
Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 3213
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:52 am Post subject: |
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yeah whatevs. giant leaping assumptions and opinion held that the world was flat. "Without question?" pffft. Evidence?
commonality w/o evidence also leads to ppl believing ppl rising from the dead. your point is moot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH9UvnrARf8 _________________ WARM ART
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kso
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jkfunkee___
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| kso wrote: | yeah whatevs. giant leaping assumptions and opinion held that the world was flat. "Without question?" pffft. Evidence?
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yeah whatevs?
very scientific response...that being said, what was the commonly held idea at the time? |
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jkfunkee___
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kso
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:53 am Post subject: |
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I don't hold science sacrosanct either because as within science, any reasonable and hopefully unbiased scientist, as would i, would happily and willfully completely change our position with reliable and verifiable evidence.
Unfortunately, the article you provide about the particles moving faster than light has been retracted due to a hardware glitch at CERN/LHC that provided these results.
I looooooove the Jesus debate because i looooooove how many other external cultures across the world that predate Christianity are completely disregarded in the hierarchy of this discussion with regards to natural history vs the convo of biblical history.
ie: Gobekli Tepe in Turkey
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&site=webhp&sa=X&ei=j_iCT5LCJIXO9QTx9PnzBw&sqi=2&ved=0CBkQBSgB&q=gobekli+tepe&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=7a6cc4b21c876926&ion=1&biw=1024&bih=619
this joint predates Christianity's New Testament stories by almost 9000 years. Predates stonehenge by about 2000 years. It predates early civilizations and kingdoms. As far as our current archaeological and anthropological understandings, this is the FIRST evidence of religion/religious practice coming out of 3.5 billion years of evolution.
To put it into perspective:
Earliest measured existence of life on earth = 3.4 billion years ago.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/aug/21/fossil-microbes-western-australia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_evolutionary_history_of_life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromatolite
I personally discovered sea based marine fossils in the middle of Kentucky = 420–300 million years ago [Devonian crinoids]
Age of the dinosaurs = 250 million years – 65 million years.
Large dinosaurs go extinct– 65 -70 million years ago.
Dawn of early primates = 55-65 million years ago
First evidence of stone tools = 3 million –2.4 million years ago
Dawn of early “man” walking upright = 1.2 – 1.8 million years ago [homo-erectus]
Evidence of man’s controlled use of fire = 1.7 million years ago
Neanderthals [cavemen] = 600,000-40,000 years ago
Advent of modern humans [homo-sapiens]= Anatomically modern humans originating from Africa about 200,000 years ago, reaching full behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago.
ie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomically_modern_humans
Migration of humans into the AMERICAS = 40,000 – 12,000 years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_human_migrations
Man’s first evidence of painted art (Lascaux Cave painting in france) = 25,000-30,000 years ago
http://www.lascaux.culture.fr/?lng=en#/fr/02_00.xml
http://www.lascaux.culture.fr/?lng=en#/fr/02_02_01.xml
Oldest known temple [to date] = 11,000 years old
Stonehenge = 10,000 years old
Dawn of Agriculture = 10000-7000 years ago
First kingdoms and empires of Mesopotamia = 5000 years ago
Pyramids = 4500 years ago
Earliest written symbols = 3200-3400 years ago
Earliest writing systems = 2600 years ago
Old testament= 2500 years ago
Beginning of the start of our Gregorian Calendar = 2012 years ago
New testament = 1900 years ago
200 years ago we didn’t know ANY of this.
And most of this based on simple observation which at its base is what science is. _________________ WARM ART
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kso
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jkfunkee___
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| jkfunkee___ wrote: | | kso wrote: | yeah whatevs. giant leaping assumptions and opinion held that the world was flat. "Without question?" pffft. Evidence?
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yeah whatevs?
very scientific response...that being said, what was the commonly held idea at the time? |
again, nice scientific repsonse...what was the commonly held idea? |
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jkfunkee___
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kso
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Why do i have to address this? there is a huge difference between unfounded ideas versus verifiable evidence. you have no argument here.
I asked for your specific evidence.
| jkfunkee___ wrote: | | jkfunkee___ wrote: | | kso wrote: | yeah whatevs. giant leaping assumptions and opinion held that the world was flat. "Without question?" pffft. Evidence?
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yeah whatevs?
very scientific response...that being said, what was the commonly held idea at the time? |
again, nice scientific repsonse...what was the commonly held idea? |
_________________ WARM ART
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kso
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:59 am Post subject: |
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so 50-60 years of mosquitoes building up a tolerance to our designed toxin is an argument? same thing happens in the evolution of bacteria. yay.
And i understand "what we know today" Like i said any reasonable scientist would change the stance based on verifiable evidence.
State your grounds of verifiable evidence for a prime mover and/or its ancestral lineage if you have it. _________________ WARM ART
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jkfunkee___
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| kso wrote: | | Why do i have to address this? |
no one is twisting your arm.
the question was related to "commonly held scientific belief."
obvs what was considered science at that time doesn't pass muster today, but it was science nonetheless.
as i stated: i believe in only two things: the ovary and change as those are the only constants...all else is supposition.
you finally got to my point (i think) which is what we hold true today is disproven tomorrow. |
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