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enemigo
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 Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:32 am Post subject: default |
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| "Woo hoo! The two sweetest words in the English language: de-fault" --Homer Simpson |
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enemigo
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| "Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then they get elected to prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
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mrpink
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| enemigo wrote: | | "Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then they get elected to prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
why do even have these darn elections?!?
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jkfunkee___
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:54 am Post subject: |
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14th amendment, but obama don't pack the gear.
he is more of a poll watcher than dollar bill |
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enemigo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| As much as I wish Obama could just invoke the 14th Amendment and put an end to all this bullshit, it's just not an option. At first glance it looked promising, but over the last couple months, legal experts, both left and right, have rather conclusively laid that interpretation of the 14th Amendment to rest. |
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jkfunkee___
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| enemigo wrote: | | As much as I wish Obama could just invoke the 14th Amendment and put an end to all this bullshit, it's just not an option. At first glance it looked promising, but over the last couple months, legal experts, both left and right, have rather conclusively laid that interpretation of the 14th Amendment to rest. |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/26/14th-amendment-obama_n_910398.html?view=print
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/opinion/22posner.html
"Eric A. Posner, a professor of law at the University of Chicago, and Adrian Vermeule, a professor of law at Harvard, are the authors of “The Executive Unbound: After the Madisonian Republic.”"
say what? his boys from UofC and Harvard say its the move...
so show me "conclusively" please. he won't do it because all he cares about is re-election.
this would be change, certainly what i am hoping for.
this is your chance to jump in and blame GW...here it is:_____ |
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enemigo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| jkfunkee___ wrote: | http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/opinion/22posner.html
"Eric A. Posner, a professor of law at the University of Chicago, and Adrian Vermeule, a professor of law at Harvard, are the authors of “The Executive Unbound: After the Madisonian Republic.”"
say what? his boys from UofC and Harvard say its the move... |
You clearly didn't even read their op-ed, otherwise you would have noticed right up there at the top where they flat out say they aren't arguing for the 14th Amendment approach:
| Posner & Vermeule wrote: | | Our argument is not based on some obscure provision of the 14th amendment, but on the necessities of state |
Their argument is that Obama should break the law because it is an emergency, as Lincoln did when he suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War.
And it should hardly be surprising that a couple guys who wrote a book called "The Executive Unbound" would take such a position.
| jkfunkee___ wrote: | | so show me "conclusively" please. he won't do it because all he cares about is re-election. |
Just read any of the dozens of posts on the topic from the past couple months at Balkinization or The Volokh Conspiracy
When Larry Tribe, Jack Balkin and Marty Lederman are all in agreement with the guys at Volokh, then I think it is pretty damn clear that it isn't an option. |
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jkfunkee___
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| as i said, he doesn't pack the gear... |
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enemigo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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So you, of all people, are saying that Obama should break the law? You've got to be fucking kidding me.
If he had decided that he was just going to ignore the debt ceiling, you'd be on here calling for his impeachment along with every single Republican in the House and going on about how his actions are just more evidence that he isn't a change from the hubristic overreaching and debt-loving proclivities of his predecessor. |
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enemigo
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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well that was time well spent... good thing we spent the last couple of days making a bill even more partisan and incapable of passage than one that was pronounced DOA days ago and which wouldn't have even prevented a downgrade of our credit rating.
The absurdity is reaching unparalleled levels. |
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djy
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| enemigo wrote: |
The absurdity is reaching unparalleled levels. |
Yes it did. PIMCO just announced that the deal does little to impact a long term downgrade for the U.S. debt. Thanks for nothing! |
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Mr Sweet
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| The only way this bill (the debt bill) was two sided, was that the dems had to take it at both ends- Colbert |
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